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I WAS SCROLLING by way of Instagram the other day—positive, usually I merely can’t help myself—after I observed a publish by Matt Mattus about Christmas cactus. So regardless that it’s nonetheless extreme summer season, it made me prolonged for thought-about considered one of my very personal.
I haven’t grown a trip cactus since my very outdated plant took a nasty spill in a switch of houses years prior to now. Seeing Matt’s publish moreover made me assume it was time for a evaluation of how one can get these lavish bloomers to do their vibrant issue, and that was what I requested him about after we spoke simply these days.
Matt Mattus gardens in Massachusetts and is the author of various yard books, along with “Mastering the Art work of Vegetable Gardening” and “Mastering the Art work of Flower Gardening.” When he isn’t tending his private daring yard and greenhouse or web internet hosting Open Day excursions, he moreover affords session corporations, every nearly and in particular person, to help others with yard design and plant-care factors.
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Margaret Roach: Whats up, Matt, on this craziest of yard years ever.
Matt Mattus: And we’re going to talk about Christmas cactus.
Margaret: I do know. What the heck? We’re merely going to neglect the rest of summer season, Matt, and discuss Christmas cactus. So sooner than we do, inform the fact, what variety of, quote, “houseplants” do you will have?
Matt: Successfully, that’s a really liquid topic now because of you notice I’ve a greenhouse, so-
Margaret: I do know.
Matt: We constructed the greenhouse so we didn’t will need to have houseplants, nonetheless then progressively they moved once more into the house. So now now we have tons, let’s put it that methodology.
Margaret: Is it 88 million or 3 trillion?
Matt: Yeah, probably half a million.
Margaret: I had a way. What variety of Christmas cactus or trip cactus do you suppose you will have?
Matt: Oh, trip cactus. Not tons. Maybe 10 or 12 correct now. Merely inherited an enormous outdated one, so we’ll discuss that.
Margaret: O.Okay. So I say “so-called,” or in quotes “Christmas cactus” or regardless of, because of I’ve misplaced observe of the taxonomy frankly. I do know there’s various hybrids now which have been bred, and I don’t even understand how you pronounce it, nonetheless it was Schlumbergera [laughter]. Schlumbergera. Then there was x buckleyi and the other issue was the Christmas cactus in truncata. The species truncata was I consider the Thanksgiving cactus. Twenty years prior to now, I used to know what was supposedly the taxonomy. I am misplaced now [laughter].
Matt: You’re not alone. Put it that methodology.
Margaret: O.Okay., good.
Matt: I’m misplaced, too. And truly, doing rather more evaluation and the additional I look, I’m learning that various the consultants are misplaced too. I indicate, even the Latin … So the genus determine is Schlumbergera. So everyone for over 100 years now have been calling it Schlumbergera.
Nevertheless I merely study one factor the other day that he was supposedly from Germany, nonetheless now they think about he was from Austria, and there’s an Austrian with a similar determine that they’re undecided now who really named it after whom. It was named after a collector, nonetheless it doesn’t really matter.
Margaret: And in addition you said Zygocactus in your newest Instagram publish, which I even have study is just a few of us identify the genus that, so regardless of.
Matt: Yeah, it was. The genus was named Zygocactus within the midst of the 20 th century. After which it is nearly organized now. Nevertheless as soon as extra, for the home grower, you don’t should know this, we’re prone to put them in buckets by holidays, like Thanksgiving cactus, let’s say, Christmas cactus, after which Easter cactus, kind of the outlier. And that’s, I consider, a neater resolution to lump all of them collectively. It’s possible you’ll get misplaced inside the Latin determine for all of these.
Margaret: So cactus, the other phrase—these mustn’t desert dwellers. These are, I consider, epiphytic crops, normally speaking, which is perhaps from the mountains of Brazil, like a rainforest environment, I consider?
Matt: Exactly. And that provides a tip for all of us who want to develop them. They’re definitely Cactaceae. In order that they’re succulents, they’re cactus.
Margaret: Correct.
Matt: Which throws so many individuals off on this loop. And that’s why I’m glad you generally known as to talk about this because of it’s such a typical houseplant. And I don’t find out about you, nonetheless I grew up with my mom’s crops that had been from the Twenties.
That they had been my grandmother’s, so that they’d been sometimes hand-me-down crops. And I suppose there are many folks available on the market which have these older specimens. And the additional I found about them, I don’t know within the occasion that they ever fell out of vogue, nonetheless they’re always available on the market. It’s not a type of crops you’ll go buy a silk one at a craft retailer at Christmas [laughter].
And there’s some gorgeous colors now. And I consider we’re tempted after we see them on the grocery retailer, or nursery throughout the vacations. So I believed I’d merely revisit them as soon as extra to see what I’d examine. And I was kind of surprised; they’re abused in my residence. Are they going to bloom the holiday season or not? Or are they not going to bloom the least bit this 12 months? After which as quickly as they bloom, we kind of ignore them until summer season, after we throw them open air. And I suppose plenty of folks merely do that, correct?
Margaret: Mm-hmm. So what do you assume, though, alongside along with your 10 or 12, and alongside along with your diverse years of experience with them, what do you assume? And in the Instagram publish the other day, you outlined your main ideas, nonetheless what’s your methodology in probably the greatest of cases? I indicate, all of us fall off the protocol often, nonetheless what would you say, and the place are the pitfalls? The place can we want to start?
Matt: Successfully, various this started with after I constructed the greenhouse. So I’ve a cold greenhouse that’s not heated, nonetheless you don’t desire a greenhouse to develop these crops. Nevertheless the greenhouse taught me one factor about these and Clivia, oddly ample.
Margaret: My favorite houseplant. Positive.
Matt: And the biggest grievance with every Christmas or trip cactus and Clivia is how do I get it to bloom? That draw back was solved for us after we constructed the greenhouse because of we saved the crops available on the market. They didn’t go dry. The entire myths that embody all these fairly widespread houseplants, watering them with milk or cinnamon or regardless of.
Margaret: I hate all that stuff [laughter].
Matt: And it’s so sophisticated. Put espresso grounds. So don’t put espresso grounds, make the soil additional alkaline. And these are crops that want acidic. I knew my mom solely grew these in soil from the yard, which I believed was crazy, until simply these days I’m realizing that that’s not a nasty idea, to mix widespread ground soil in alongside along with your mix. These mustn’t heavy feeders. These mustn’t crops. They’re jungle crops, corresponding to you said.
So what I like to do first is look once more the place they’re from. So the greenhouse for me is chilly and moist inside the winter. It appears as in the event that they wouldn’t like that, correct? They don’t like chilly temperatures, nonetheless they’d come into the house as soon as they set buds. Nevertheless the massive issue was they started setting buds naturally by October. And I in no way knew why. And comparable issue with the Clivia. They always bloom in March now, all of them, with none care the least bit. It’s all attributable to they reply to day dimension, correct? They’re-
Margaret: Correct. We’re triggering that by letting them, in your case, it seems like they’re cooling off in there for a positive interval.
Matt: They’re thermo-periodic, so it’s temperature and the dimensions of the night really. Some of us say day dimension, nonetheless they need these … Like correct now we’re all starting to essentially really feel like, oh, probably it’s fall inside the air, correct? The cyclamen is starting to bloom. We’re starting to want to braise one factor on the chilly days.
And by September, in case your crops are open air, they sense that the instances are getting shorter. So Christmas cactus or any of the holiday cactus, or not the Easter cactus perhaps, nonetheless the primary two, let’s say, let’s group them as Thanksgiving and Christmas, that should all be setting bud open air in September. And by middle of October, they should all be displaying buds. Do you have to’re indoors, it is worthwhile to get them proper right into a room the place they’re getting pure delicate and by no means even a avenue delicate open air, and by no means even a lightweight or lamp inside the room.
Margaret: I’m glad you said that because of after I used to be taught about them, and this goes once more a few years, and it was like, “And proper right here’s how it’s best to cope with it, Margaret,” I kind of inherited the family one, and it was all about 14 nighttimes a night to simulate … And it was like plenty of folks said eight weeks of that. And some of us said solely 4 weeks would even set off it, it is going to be ample. Nevertheless it was like eight weeks of 14 hours a night. And as soon as extra, that’s outdated advice and I don’t know what the current protocol is.
Nevertheless the idea being like with the Clivia, the place I maintain them rather a lot cooler and dry, to type of say to them, it’s time to think about on the point of flower, it’s time to think about on the point of flower, simulating one factor that of their historic roots, of their homelands, there was a interval of this regardless of, deprivation of some element [laughter]. And it triggered it. So I is perhaps simulating it. And that’s what I always did with the holiday cactus. And I used to look at in outdated yard books that we’d discuss, you’d put a black plastic bag over them at night or one factor for 14 hours, set an alarm clock [laughter].
Matt: My dad and mother would ship them inside the fall and put them inside the cellar residence home windows. I don’t forget that. They usually may always bloom. So yeah, there’s one factor to that. I consider now now we have to remember they’re from Brazil and that’s the Southern Hemisphere. In order that they bloom in Might. So I consider it’s like Florida mayo or one factor, generally known as the Flower of Might. So it’s like many South African or South American crops that, they’re on the choice schedule up proper right here inside the North. So conveniently, they bloom early winter.
Nevertheless proper right here’s an attention-grabbing reality. The Christmas cactus that you just had, or let’s say the holiday cactus you probably had, if it had the rounded leaves or clads, the type of paddles, correct, on the stems? That’s the outdated Christmas cactus. It’s not purchased anymore. You’ll’t uncover that at a yard coronary heart or nursery. It is really a pass-along plant. All these you uncover now grown retail are technically they’re Thanksgiving cactus. It’s the cross. I indicate, the outdated one was, yeah, you had been saying the Latin names sooner than, which-
Margaret: Successfully, one is now they’re saying with the Christmas, they’re saying x buckleyi and truncata was the one which they used to say was Thanksgiving. And I don’t know what the distinctive species was of the, as you say now, not in commerce, the distinctive Christmas. I assume x buckleyi means it’s a hybrid with one factor else, nonetheless I don’t know.
Matt: No, you’re correct. Christmas cactus. I indicate, they return to the 1830s as soon as they’d been first launched. It was Epiphyllum x buckleyi for a while, which moreover affords us, you notice, that’s the orchid cactus. So these are all crops that inside the wild, as soon as extra, going once more to seek for custom, how we’re capable of develop them, look once more to the place they develop inside the wild.
They grew on mossy branches with leaf litter in Brazil, in a cloud forest. Undoubtedly not cactus environment, nonetheless they’d been well-draining. That tells us they like, so that’s really well-draining, like an orchid. They like moisture spherical inside the air nonetheless not throughout the roots really. They don’t have sturdy root packages because of they’re epiphytic or lithophytic, meaning they typically develop on rocks, nonetheless on cliffs.
So these are all ideas that we’re in a position to make use of. They normally love acidic soil or acidic rain. So all these, that tells us what kind of water they want, what kind of nutritional vitamins they want. And blend that with the daylight issue, you will have this stuff nailed. Now it’s how can we do that at residence?
Margaret: And if we want to even have it for a trip, i.e.Thanksgiving or Christmas, you’d should once more as a lot as correct spherical now and say, “Hey, guess what, honey, you’ll’t be out on the porch anymore inside the shiny delicate. I’m going to deprive you of that for 14 hours within the current day.” [Laughter.] You perceive what I indicate?
Matt: Yeah, yeah.
Margaret: You’re going to almost certainly shift their place. Or corresponding to you said, any individual in your family members used to ship them into the basement, into the cellar window.
Matt: I consider frost obtained right here, or at least proper right here in Massachusetts, frost arrived earlier.
Margaret: Oh, for sure. In September for sure.
Matt: We’d nonetheless get one in September. Nevertheless to basically guarantee you’ll get buds, I indicate, using my greenhouse occasion, I depart mine out as late as attainable until that first danger of frost, which there’s maybe a night or two in September I’ve to ship them in. Nevertheless they return out as soon as extra. On account of that’s as soon as they’re really delicate to the day dimension.
So correct now they could set buds by the tip of September. You’ll look rigorously. And as quickly as they set buds, then you’ll cope with them in any other case. Nevertheless we attain that, it’s 13 hours actually is the actually useful dimension of the night, nonetheless it’s almost certainly 12 to 13. And I merely maintain them out until early October probably, after which ship them in.
Margaret: And so that you simply’re bringing them into the greenhouse, nonetheless let’s pretend we don’t have a greenhouse. So that you simply had been talking about various numerous issues, the soil and the acidity and the good drainage and points like that. So what will be splendid for me to do with, whether or not it’s my houseplant, what do you assume? What should I be doing with it this fall?
Matt: Yeah, let’s bear the complete calendar of what you may do. It’s pretty straightforward. I ship them in at any time when that first heavy freeze will possible be, so it’s maybe Halloween. In the event that they’ve buds on them already, I ship them within the residence, I ship them onto our windowsills. Now now we have deep windowsills, so that they’re practically on present at the moment because of they’ll bloom almost certainly for Thanksgiving or between Thanksgiving and Christmas. The 12 crops are prone to bloom week on, week off up until then.
As quickly as they bloom, the season’s over. So most are carried out by, let’s say by New Yr. The problems of us have then is normally you get bud drop, and that merely happens when the temperatures shift an extreme quantity of. Nevertheless what I’m talking about is that if we had 90-degree days after which the entire sudden 40 diploma days, they don’t like that. Or within the occasion that they’ve gone too dry as soon as they’ve this. Merely maintain the moisture type of even, not soaking moist. Always take note they don’t have big root packages. They want a really porous soil. So each quite a few perlite or quite a few gravel inside the soil.
Margaret: You talked a few barky mix in your Instagram publish; that bark may help, too. Whereas it should nonetheless have fast drainage from the other components inside the potting mix, the bark could keep a bit little little bit of moisture for them to profit from with their small root system and so for them to type of maintain on to. So practically like orchid bark, that kind of bark a bit bit inside the mix?
Matt: Yeah. I exploit a high-quality orchid bark from a wholesale grower. The really good wholesale growers will use high-quality orchid bark, probably 50 %. And the other 50 % is each a enterprise potting mix or coir and perlite. So it’s very fast-draining, practically like what you will have your phalaenopsis in, nonetheless with a bit additional potting soil in it.
Margaret: And by no means swimming in an infinite pot. These are guys, they don’t need, because of as soon as extra, these are, various them are like epiphytic practically. They’re like hanging in timber and so forth, resting on. In order that they don’t need an infinite pot.
Matt: No, nonetheless they need a heavy pot. So I tend to utilize clay. If I don’t use clay, I put a rock inside the bottom of a plastic pot. On account of you understand how top-heavy they’re, they’ll swing spherical and fall over.
Margaret: Successfully, that’s what occurred to mine. And I was transferring between one residence and one different, and it took a spill and it kind of shattered and it was a mess, my outdated one. So positive.
Matt: The alternative tip I found simply these days was to pinch them once more. I had in no way pinched trip cactus the least bit.
Margaret: Oh.
Matt: Nevertheless in January, February sooner than the model new progress begins, and enterprise growers develop them in a single season, so it’s always good to check out the enterprise develop sheets for ideas. So you’ll merely do a Google search for custom sheet for, they nonetheless could identify them Zygocactus, some growers, they may identify them Schlumbergera or trip cactus, nonetheless you’ll see what the expert greenhouses use.
And chances are high you may not want to use the chemical compounds they’re using. You won’t want to use the soil. In order that they’re using various peat because of they want to make a extraordinarily acidic soil. Nevertheless they do educate you some good ideas. And that one tip of pinching was one factor I found there, that we see so many buds on these you buy available on the market, it looks like they’ve been dealt with with chemical compounds, correct?
They pinch the rules out, the first new progress, after which they get additional clads coming out, additional leaves, for those who’ll. After which all these produce additional buds. Merely don’t pinch after March.
Margaret: So pinching. So the “clads” [cladodes or cladophylls] are these segments that make up what seem like a bunch of leaves caught collectively, or stems, counting on the best way you want to give it some thought [laughter], the branches, so to speak, nonetheless pinch out a whole one. Am I taking a whole one? How far do I pinch?
Matt: One leaf off, let’s say. Adjust to the rules. They might ship out three new ones. After which fertilizer is attention-grabbing because of these are, and in addition you’ll see, don’t adjust to one thing of the myths for fertilizer. You really, they’re not going to feed these milk.
Margaret: Oh, please. If the net doesn’t stop telling of us how one can kill crops, I swear.
Matt: The additional widespread the houseplant, I consider the additional myths there are.
Margaret: Torture. It’s torture. It’s all torture [laughter].
Matt: They want acidic soil, so that you simply’re not giving them espresso. I’ve seen that too. On account of it’s not really-
Margaret: Oh, please.
Matt: Yeah, they want rainwater. So start with the basics. They want acidic water. So do you have to use faucet water.. I in no way knew this, nonetheless I checked our faucet water proper right here the place I reside and the pH is definitely extreme because of it’s been, regardless that now now we have acidic rain and acidic soil, city, and most metropolis water is adjusting the water pH. And it doesn’t affect the plant over quite a lot of months, nonetheless over a 12 months or two or three, and in addition you’ve in no way re-potted it, that soil has flip into really alkaline. And then you definately undoubtedly see these type of shriveled up, crisp trip cacti which is perhaps struggling.
So it’s almost certainly best to re-pot it yearly or every two years in a model new acidic mix. And March is usually a good time to do that or April, and reintroduce in a wonderful mix. Like I said, a really porous mix, like a half orchid bark mix. Even do you have to merely half orchid bark, half potting soil, which may be good. It’s possible you’ll want to add gravel or a pair handfuls of yard soil in. That is one delusion I’ve seen that seems to be confirmed by various cactus and succulent societies. I haven’t researched it, nonetheless hey, my mom did it and it labored [laughter]. I don’t know if that’s any motive to try it, nonetheless my crops are attempting pretty fantastic now. They’re getting rain. This has been an vital moist summer season for them.
Now that they’re in new mix that’s up to date and acidic, and they also’re getting quite a few new inexperienced progress, and I’ve been fertilizing with a half-strength fertilizer. Nevertheless there’s two points with fertilizer they don’t like. They don’t like iron. And that’s really important, because of do you have to’re using any enterprise producers, like one thing that’s blue, that’s water soluble, it has iron in it. In order that they’re tons like geraniums. You perceive how laborious it is to develop a geranium and fertilize it and it doesn’t seem just like the one to obtain on the yard coronary heart inside the spring? There’s a feed generally known as geranium feed that the professionals develop in, and it doesn’t have iron in it, nonetheless you’ll in no way buy it retail.
Nevertheless now with the complete cannabis enterprise, these little startups are selling specialised soils for cannabis growers, because of they’re crazy about what they’re feeding their crops
Margaret: And specialised fertilizers then, as successfully?
Matt: And it’s a sample I’ve seen simply these days. I merely went onto Google and I found quite a lot of growers which is perhaps actually selling Christmas cactus fertilizer. After I appeared on the analysis, it doesn’t have any iron. In order that they don’t like manganese, each. So I believed that’s pretty smart. And these are in a single quart containers. So it’s cheap. It’s a really weak energy.
Be careful usually with seaweed fertilizers or any fish emulsion, because of they’re too extreme in nitrogen, nonetheless most of them are like a 2 or 3. I indicate, you’re high-quality. These aren’t heavy eaters, nonetheless they do want some meals by means of the summer season rising season.
Margaret: O.Okay.
Matt: Nevertheless merely not iron.
Margaret: And lightweight-wise, as soon as extra, these mustn’t cactus inside the desert, baking inside the photo voltaic. We don’t want to, even within the summertime, I’m assuming you don’t have these out inside the hottest, most baking spot inside the yard. Are these in a shiny, filtered-light state of affairs or what’s their, because of they’ll kind of burn, as I recall.
Matt: Fully. Within the occasion that they develop on timber inside the jungles, you notice they’re getting dappled delicate beneath the leaves. So do you have to may seek for these circumstances, it’s maybe the north side of your property the place it’s open to the sky, nonetheless the photo voltaic in no way hits.
They don’t want to be too darkish, though, because of they nonetheless should photosynthesize. Beneath a magnolia or one factor like which may be too darkish. I’ve us on a deck, they’re beneath, they get shaded by an enormous Stewartia that type of lets dappled photo voltaic down onto them. Nevertheless they’re not getting, they get little dots of suns kind of wiggling spherical on their leaves, nonetheless they’re not getting full photo voltaic. Yeah, you’re correct. They’ll burn very merely.
Margaret: Yeah, I don’t forget that usually the tissue practically will get crimson like sunburn sooner than it really deteriorates. You’ll practically see as soon as they’re getting damaged, about to get damaged or starting to get damaged.
Matt: Or flip purple, flip purple.
Margaret: Purple. Correct. Correct. Exactly.
Matt: Notably they’ll lose that after they start coming into into kind of a a lot much less, the depth of the photo voltaic is far much less.
Margaret: Correct. Besides you enable them out in it too many days in a row, which is perhaps harmful. Harmful, harmful, harmful.
Matt: We’ve all carried out it.
Margaret: Yeah. So the other issue I was interested in is, as I said, my outdated one had an accident inside the transferring van state of affairs, fell off [laughter]. Anyway, it was a disaster, busted up into gadgets. In actual fact I almost certainly might need propagated. How simple are these guys to propagate?
Matt: Oh, they’re very simple. I indicate, that is the rationale they’re such an vital pass-along plant. You possibly can take a decreasing as soon as extra in March almost certainly everytime you’re doing pinching. So do you have to wished to pinch, you’d pinch once more three leaves worth. So three or 4 of those clads or leaves or these cladophylls, you may pinch off. And I wouldn’t root them in water. They’re really best rooted in a really porous mix, merely perlite, even in a yogurt cup or in a drained container, nonetheless water it each single day so it runs by way of, or a bit little little bit of soil and one factor really porous like aquarium grit.
You should purchase a cactus mix after which add some potting soil to it. That’s good, too. I consider the examine is do you have to pour water into your mix and it runs by way of, nonetheless you are feeling the combo and you feel dampness, that’s a wonderful mix. They normally root in three or 4 weeks.
Margaret: Oh, O.Okay. All correct. Good.
Matt: Speaking of cuttings, these you buy commercially now, moreover, they put like 30 cuttings in a pot. They want to get a beautiful plant that’s almost certainly, they intend it to be disposable. In order that they’re putting, I don’t know, 12 cuttings in a 3 inch pot.
Margaret: So an precise quick bulk up, market it, the tip.
Matt: That’s not a healthful resolution to develop it on. So do you have to do get a type of throughout the holiday season, I’d at least reduce up it into two or three. Ideally, three crops to a pot will be good. And which may be a wise issue to do for those who want to get an heirloom plant.
I mentioned I inherited, my mom had these outdated crops. My mom, she had me, she was 45, she died at practically 100. And I’ve these crops which is perhaps almost certainly 80 years outdated, nonetheless I misplaced all of them and I was devastated. Nevertheless my godmother, who lives all through the highway from us, handed away this spring. And we went over to help clear the house out. And there was thought-about considered one of my mom’s Christmas cactuses on her windowsill, and it was merely as outdated as these we had. So I was so treasured to get it, nonetheless it was in pretty harmful kind because of no one was caring for it. So I merely re-potted it and it kind of fell apart. Nevertheless on this new soil mix, I indicate, these crops are older than fairly lots of people, correct?
Margaret: Positive.
Matt: We corky and we scale back it once more and it’s all regenerated, and it’s pretty thrilling to see that happen. Nevertheless it’s that outdated model one. It’s the outdated buckleyi that has the rounded clads. It’s scalloped on the sting of the leaf, and it has a beautiful shiny pink flower. Nevertheless I indicate, is there really a nasty trip cactus?
Margaret: Yeah. Successfully, we’ve used up our time practically. And so I was going to say, you merely remind me, because of I’ve my grandmother’s Clivia, which has obtained to be 80 or 90 years outdated. I indicate, it’s now many, many crops, nonetheless the an identical kind of issue, the place it’s merely such a treasure and it’s your Most worthy issue. So I like that you just found part of your mother’s Christmas cactus. That’s implausible.
Matt: And the care is analogous on every of these, too. So do you have to’re combating Clivia, we merely answered that question too.
Margaret: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Correct, correct. Considerably sturdy love for a while there. Yeah. Successfully, I’m glad to talk to you, and like I said, I was glad to see it. It made me want one as soon as extra, and so probably I’ll be going out doing a bit procuring. Nevertheless it’s always good to talk to you, Matt, and thanks. Thanks for making time within the current day.
Matt: It’s a pleasure. Have satisfying choosing considered one of many 2,000 varieties which is perhaps up there.
Margaret: [Laughter.] I do know. It was easier inside the outdated days. All correct. I’ll converse to you shortly as soon as extra. Bye-bye.
(All {photograph} by Matt Mattus, used with permission.)
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